Witnesses have freedom to make their own decisions. However if they 'misuse' this free will they'll be encouraged to adjust their thinking to make the decision WT wants them to make. If they continue on this 'stubborn ' course elders will offer strong corrective counsel. If they continue on the 'rebellious' course congregation action can be taken. Witnesses have the freedom to make their own decisions. They just better make the right ones. This is not manipulative or contradictory. You will trust us. We are the Borg.
John Free
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Let me get this straight according to today's wt a person can make his own decisions
by poopie inon whether or not she chooses to shun?.
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John Free
Extremist definition = 'someone who has beliefs that the majority consider unreasonable or unacceptable'.
So of course the answer is yes the org is extremist. The org of course is promoting the idea that extremist groups only include those that are militant or promote violence. This is more than a hardline stricter than normal religion this is a destructive cult that ruins families and wrecks lives. It should be banned the world over. If Russia had never lifted the ban in the 1990s then tens of thousands of unsuspecting Russian families would have been protected from this harmful group.
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Does God really care about mankind?
by Sour Grapes ini am dying of cancer.
yesterday i asked my full blown jw wife if she could snap her fingers and make me well would she do so?.
she replied, "yes.
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John Free
I'm truly sorry to hear that bad news sour grapes.
That point in your last paragraph is a classic example of Orwellian 'doublethink'. When with believers at meeting 'yes Jah is gonna kill everyone out there!' But when conversing with the public 'oh we're not judges, we can't read the heart, there'll be millions in paradise who've never heard of jw's'. All the while they believe not telling the WHOLE truth is is a form of lying.
Incidently I enjoyed you 1975 post some months back. It offered valuable insights into that period of the washtowl borganization's history.
Our thoughts are with you.
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What will you be doing on the evening of the 11th ?
by Phizzy inmrs phizzy and myself will be eating out, sure in the knowledge we will not have jw's using the same restaurant.. i may have a cigar along with my brandy at the meal's end to celebrate my (our) freedom..
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John Free
I shall be partaking in the consumption of red wine celebrating my freedom from the Borg with some like-minded mentally diseased apostates in a local establishment. No crackers though, oh no don't see what jesus saw in that particular combination. A fine cut of meat is in order.
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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions
by jambon1 inwhat is it with this pair?
why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?
a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.
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John Free
Ceders is clearly arrogant, I've seen him on forums and he MUST have the last say. Evidence seems to suggest he probably makes money from his activism. But people of his abilities often are full of themselves and I don't care if he makes money from his activism. He has made it his profession and helped thousands wake up to ttatt. In my opinion he's doing an important work and there's a place for him and for Marc and for Cora and for Paul Grundy. We're no longer drones being coerced into a specific personality type, people will disagree more, this is the real world.
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Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?
by NikL ini've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
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John Free
Yep agree with sloppyjoe. It is a disgusting beast that has evolved into being. It exists in its current form because its prey\people are susceptible to the BITE model. The higher uppers are just as trapped as the rank and file. As you work your way up the ladder you are trained by the jw higher upper culture to become arrogent and haughty and sneer at the lower downers. The GB have gone through this system and would have made sacrifices in life to get where they are, they believed they had the truth and likely continue too. But the culture has trained them to become vile people- 'the ends justifies the means' mentality has twisted them morally into condoning horrendous things such as the covering up of child sexual abuse. They are believers but they should still be in prison.
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INNOCENT!! - JW walks free after 20 YEARS in jail
by darkspilver inafter spending 20 years in jail for attempted murder in a compton shooting - this week marco contreras was declared factually innocent and released.. for now, he said, he was looking forward to two things: good mexican food and april 11. he’s a jehovah’s witness, and that’s the day his denomination will remember the anniversary of jesus’ death.. .
question: how many witnesses to the crime where there?.
contreras’ attorneys say an eyewitness inaccurately identified him as the gunman, although he’d been at home sleeping at the time.
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John Free
It was new evidence that helped free him. Marco's brother Miguel was an accessory to the gas station robbery and was imprisoned for 18 months. It seems after all this time he decided to inform police of the shooter- Antonio Salgado, and recorded a conversation of Antonio admitting guilt.
http://people.com/crime/los-angeles-man-marco-contreras-freed-attempted-murder/
Marco sounds like a great person who has endured much. I hope one day he can break free from another kind of captivity.
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“Well…it was a test”, says a laid-off Bethelite
by My Name is of No Consequence ini got this account second hand.
a former bethelite was reassigned to a local congregation.
he had been at bethel for years and is now in his fifties.
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John Free
Satan's evil system will no doubt provide for the needs of this person.
You can learn a lot about an organization by the way it treats its elderly.
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Emotionally very ill but can't face consequences of leaving
by Isambard Crater ini'm a new member so wanted to say 'hi'.
i live in the u.k, was born in, fell away as an unbaptised publisher, got baptised in my 30s for reasons i'm retrospectively unsure of, and lost my faith about five years ago around the time of the original a.r.c.
now, being unable to leave is making me physically, emotionally and mentally ill.. i'm not strong enough to da and live with the family consequences, and despite having several good friends outside the faith, none of them could support me in an active way as such.
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John Free
Hello Isambard and welcome, interesting name, I live not far from some of Brunel's handywork. Anyways, one option is cut the 2 hours per week to 1 and lie on your report slip. You may not feel comfortable with that but remember that you are dealing with a manipulative control group that is using undue influence ( fear, obligation and guilt) to hold you captive. Under these circumstances its not wrong to lie Isambard. The very best option however is to leave. Tell your parents you need a break from the meetings. Stop attending. Tell the elders you don't want to talk about it you just want a break, specifically ask them to respect your privacy. Don't give away any more information. That's what I did and I still see all my family. It may not be as sweet as before with family but the mental freedom you get when you leave this manipulative group...you couldn't put a price on it.
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Going, going, GONE! Another KH is sold....
by darkspilver indown in south wales, over by newport / cardiff way.
commercial street, griffithstown, pontypool, np4 5jf.
sales details: http://www.dezrez.com/estate-agent-software/propertysystem/externalbrochureget.do?brochure=internet%c2%bfparticulars&pid=3740636.
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John Free
Yep, more smash and grab. now that the Cong has paid off the loan it took out to buy that KH they've been kicked out to share another KH and all sale proceeds go straight to Borg HQ. Anyone not complying humbly with this arrangement are being disloyal to Jerhoover.